lol

second^^

hate this chap, cuz danzo is a muthafucka (lol i never talked like this before) but.. i hope kishi is correcting this way of storytelling

hmm let's see

fifth! It was nice to see Naruto's understanding of Sasuke's pain. I can't wait to see how they react when they see each other again.

weeeeeeeeeeeeee

this is just a repost because I posted it a few minutes before posting the “451 is out” post, it’s my arguments on Madara being Danzo: I think that Danzo and Madara are one in the same. The problem with this is that people that want to see this side of the arguement shouldn’t JUST compare and contrast (both physically and psychologically) them, but look at how one’s actions serve serve the other’s goals, because if they were the same person their goals wouldn’t be the same, but the end result would be similar. I believe Madara is the dominant personality here and that Danzo’s position is just a tool. Here are the things I see that make the case for Madara/Danzo 1. Tobi: Madara is obviously psychologically damaged, is it THAT much of a strech to think he has more than just ONE split in his personality? Also note, Madara is the dominant personality and Tobi is the submissive/ignorant one. 2. Mizukage/Hokage: Madara’s ultimate goal is to rule the Shinobi world, he has taken one Kage position, why not another? Wouldn’t a War Hawk Hokage greatly serve his goals? With that position he has a place on both opposing sides of the tenative alliances to incite the war he wants so badly. For those of you who say “He couldn’t be in two places at once,” your an idiot, even a genin can be in two places at once, this is even a feat that Madara has already acomplished because he is the leader of Akatsuki and the Mizukage at the same time. Being in two places is childs play for someone of Madara’s power, there are several methods 1. Shadow Clones (that would make him massively powerfull but then again, this is Madara…) 2. 30% clones (again pretty powerfull) 3. Imposters 4. replacement (basically Madara uses his jutsu to move back and forth as neccesary while and illusion or clone takes his place when he doesn’t need to be tangible) 3. Sasuke: Many of you think that if Madara sent Sasuke to destroy Danzo if he was danzo as retarded, especially just as he gained the Hokage position, but I think it was genius. Let me explain… If Madara as Danzo sent Sasuke to kill “Danzo” and then let Sasuke “Win” just like he let the first “Win” then this would acheive two things 1. It would forever alienate Sasuke from the village, you can kill a few lesser ninja, no big deal, it’s war… but to take out the Kage would be unforgivable even if he was a bastard, there would be no chance Sasuke would turn on Akatsuki in favor of Kohana even for Naruto’s life. 2. It would weaken an already devistated Kohana to the point that taking Naruto with Madara’s skills would be child’s play. 4. Danzo’s position: With Danzo’s position he could 1. Keep tabs on Naruto (through Sai) 2. Influence village decisions (remember how he tried to keep naruto in the village and away from Sasuke/Oro.) 3. Be prepared to strike when his position was no longer valuable (he isn’t going to snatch and grab Naruto until everything is JUST perfect)

good chapter...wanted too see more though.. this was almost the manga version of a filler!!

Its starting to come to an end slowly but surely i hope Naruto goes and kicks danzo's piece of shit ass

Its starting to come to an end slowly but surely i hope Naruto goes and kicks danzo's piece of shit ass

Its starting to come to an end slowly but surely i hope Naruto goes and kicks danzo's piece of shit ass

Yamato's got to have a lot of chakra, being able to create that much at once. Oh, by the way: I wonder if Yamato, Anko, and Sai, are going to continue with the mission of tracking down- and capture 'Kabuchimaru'... =)

I also wonder if Yamato is ever going to be called by his real name, 'Tensou', or if "Sai", (which is a name that he was given by Danzou, to the mission of assasinating Sasuke), has a real name... (=

Let me tell you what i think about what will hapen in 452; Sasuke comes to Konoha and Naruto miraculoursly meets him first and they talk things out in the valley of the end. but i really wnat danzo dead.

Im sorry but this chapter was lame, i think in those 17 pages kishi could have showed a lot more and provided more information in regards to the big dilema facing konoha instead of talking about where sasuke is, pain flash backs... I dont know what i am really saying i guess this chapter didnt make me jump out of my seat like some of the previous ones. And why wont they show tsundaes face, we know she is old and wrinkly now. Did anyone notice how shizune was blocking tsunades face on page 15. And what was the problem that the konoha ninja mentioned on page 14?? did anyone catch that? it wasnt about the meeting of the five kages did one of his birds sense sasuke or someone?

things are finally takin a new bend

@15, It was Sasuke most probably. Or Madara. But still, probably Sasuke.

at last! sasuke gets what he deserved

You think it is already starting to come to an end? I've heard there would be 100 volumes - was that just a gossip )

top 20 great chapter but is really the online equivalent of a pre-cum caus e all the good action us about to start

its out! great~

despite all the mama drama goin on, i am still surprised that Naruto hadn't approached Hinata yet about her love confession before she was half beat to death!

Danzo will die n the next 20 chapters or so

this is all just a very big fuzzy hunch.i think all this time danzo is tobi and the same time madara.if you look closely danzo,whats with the bandage in his face.its pretty much he is hiding something.it is at the same spot where tobi/madara has his sharingan not to mention the hairdo he has similar to tobi.what if danzo obtained sharingan from someone and implanted on him via medical jutsu similar to kakashi.what if danzo is behind all the commotion just to attain his personal ambitions.how great twist it would be to the whole story?danzo's ideals is that of a dictator and a conqueror.he doesn't like to be closely allied to other nations but having much the desire to rule the whole ninja world.juts think of and b open minded,anyway its just a hunch.

another thing if you remember the encounter of kisame and tobi where tobi revealed his true identity and kisame said "that its you mizukage".remember danzo has the same method of training in the ROOT ANBU like what was used in the hidden mist.given the power of teleportation,he could have been ruling in the hidden mist and at the same time be in konoha.remember the statement of of tobi when he heard that pain was defeated he suddenly has something to do and then the next picture then was danzo in the council of fire country wanting to be hokage.think of it!

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go to the next chapther. can't wait...

well @comment#7 i dont think madara is danzo, but maybe your right i can agree with most of your reasons but lets see how things turn out in the next few chapters

I wish to see Naruto's face when he will see Sasuke in Akatsuki robe. He will be devastated

@7 and 24. with all due respect, so far all we've cited are arguments that the goals and ways of madara and danzo may prove to be similar or even one and the same (a common 'ninja way or system'); but for these two characters to be just one person, arguments submitted thus far can only suggest that it CAN BE possible that they are just one person. however, in my humble opinion, i don't think theyse arguments are compelling enough to show that the two characters are REALLY ONE and the SAME PERSON. the burden of doubt is not lifted yet for the one who makes the claim that danzo and madara are/is just one person. It is therefore proper to welcome opposing arguments and proofs to counter such a claim, or suggestion/theory. And i wouldn't go so far as to acting high and mighty by calling people who offer dissenting opinions "stupid" or "idiotic". i also believe every person in this site or anywhere for that matter has a right to his own views, opinions, and beliefs. anyone can pose a question and/or clarification but please do so with all due respect to human dignity. peace.:) that being said:, let me join the party with the dissenting opinion -- (1) unless it is shown otherwise that madara could transform himself into a child as when danzo and the elders were still genins, it is logically sound to maintain that danzo's personal history is very much well documented in konoha's historical records, and so there could be no mistake that he is actually his own person and not (also) the most powerful member of the uchiha clan and one of the founders of konoha. (2) unless, danzo exhibits the unique skill and characteristic of an uchiha, the sharingan (whether in his left eye or if there is still one on the right), it is logically sound to think that he is not an uchiha and therefore, not madara. while it is possible that he is only play acting, danzo himself uttered recently in the council meeting with the fire lord that sasuke is the last remaining uchiha. this statement reflects the common knowledge, and thus is the status quo, which makes us conclude that kakashi has not told anyone or if he did then it remained a secret to most, that tobi has a sharingan, thus, another uchiha or another non-uchiha heir/benificiary of the sharingan exists aside from kakashi.

cont'd. in other words, if danzo is madara, then he did not notice that kakashi has seen that he (madara) has the sharingan. or that he continues to ride on the charade that no one from konoha knows that there is another sharingan user aside from kakashi and sasuke who is most probably an uchiha since the one that kakashi saw (tobi) has the sharingan. be that as it may, it would be a plus for the danzo=madara theorists if we see danzo exhibiting knowledge of madara's existence when he is not in public view since this would at least prove that there is some connection between them. or he can manifest some sort of 'freudian slip' that he knows madara exists just as he himself is madara.

It's addressed to the person who thinks Madara and Danzo are one. As you already know Danzo and Sarutobi competed for the title of Hokage but Danzo lost. Why would Madara lose on purpose? I also remember a photo album in which they show Danzo when he was younger. Tsunade was browsing through some old stuff (this is in the anime) I don't recollect the episode. It seems like too much work for Madara to make sure Danzou 'grows' up.

About this whole danzo = tobi= madara thing, can we just put it aside for now? I mean the only way were going to find out is when kishi actually shows his audience who danzo and tobi really are. Yes there are many similarities and many facts that are questionable and that dont make sense. So my point is, lets talk about the actual chapter and not danzo madara thing. Just a thought.

hey guys great comments. i reserve mine

That was so clear. because Sasuke attacked other villages and konoha dont want to be blamed for that. its hard to hear for sasuke fans but i really think danzo has done the right

lol i hate it when ppl give interesting theories because I start to hope that that theoy happens, but most of the time, it doesn't. but sstill, keep up the great theories, u guys make my life to by faster..... i cant wait for naruto to finish, but i hope it doesnt' finish... anyways im just ranting now so i think i better stop now. after this sentence. ok after this one. K im done. No, im done now. no now. now. this is the last sentence i am going to write excluding my p.s. P.S. Somebody call 911 Shawty fire burning on the dance floor Whoa I gotta cool her down She won’t bring the roof to ground on the dance floor Whoa She’s fire burning, fire burning on the dance floor That little shawty’s fire burning on the dance floor . :D // / // ////// // / / // / // // / / //

A question for you great commentators and fans of naruto: After all this thoughts about the identity of tobi/madara, i was doing a flashback in the past chapter and i ws guessing myself why(when tobi removed the mask in front of kisame)kisame called him mizukage at the begining AND THEN madara?? Because if madara has taken the place of mizukage(like took the place of hokage), how did kisame know that he was madara too??? Where is the link btw mizukage and madara? Because, if kisame would called him only mizukage, there is no problem, but why he called him AFTER madara? I expcet a decent reply for this questio from MELO and LORD ;-)

i guess as one of the 7 swordsmen (maybe created by madara as Mizukage) kisame knew about the true identity of his Kage. i mean the 7 swordsmen were created in the time of the Bloody Mist and that is (i expect) the time when Madara was Mizukage. sorry im not Melo or lord but thats just the way i understood this encounter between Kisame and Madara

Didn't Itachi say to Sasuke, the day he killed off Uchihas, that, except him, there were 2 more Uchihas with MS? Ummm :shy

naah he said that, if Sasuke awakens his Mangekyou then there will be 3 users of it, Itachi himself, Madara as his Sensei at that time and Sasuke.

will danzo order naruto to destroy sasuke next episode and if he does how will naruto respond? what do any of you guys think will happen

not that great a chapter. i really agree with u guys that danzo may be madara and i also want to add that it is possible that somewhere along the line, madara killed the real danzo and took his place. remember that madara is one of or maybe the strongest uchiha. so i think he killed him and took his place. but as said, lets wait and see. i am quite angry that kishi makes hinata sacrifice herself for naruto but doesnt even get to talk with him , he just talks with sakura while hinata is nowhere to be found.

i seriously doubt that danzou will order NARUTO to take care of that little sasuke problem.. i mean he is just like raikage who doesnt want their jinchuuriki outside the village or in great danger (he killed the messanger frog !! .. ). So i guess he will lock Naruto more or less in the Village so he cant even search for Sasuke, but anyway he is on his to konoha so.. i wanna know what happens next :>

Guys, if Danzo=Madara, why on earth he decided to send Nagato to get Naruto? Danzo with his ANBU guys could have cought Naruto long ago without all this noise, and he could have got rid of Tsunade easily as well.

melo, be more pretentious...seriously, I dare you...

@37/scorpi i don't know really. losecontrol's decent answer is as good as mine, or way even better. it is still quite a mystery how kisame could recognize madara as his mizukage, or how madara could have been the mizukage in the first place. we can only try as much as we can to pose the right questions, with the hope that these the questions can lead us to the right answers. so here are some of the interesting questions that i have come up with -- (1) how did madara survive the fight between him and the shodai?what really happened there? (2) was he already an 'invincible immortal' at the time of the VotE duel with the shodai? or did he lose on purpose so that he could conveniently 'disappear' (just like the 8-tails jinchuuriki's strategy)? (3) if he did intend to lose (either before or at the course of the battle) then what really were his purpose for 'disappearing' and posing as 'dead'? (4) if he did not lose on purpose, then how come everybody believed that he was dead? was his corpse ever found? did he actually die and then resurrected, or did someone resurrect him? (5) how did he establish a relationship or an affiliation with the bloody mist so that so became their mizukage? was he saved by the hidden bloody mist from dying or did he go there himself as a defector from konoha (either before or after the VoTE battle)? (6) did he reveal his true self to all the villagers as madara or did he assume a different identity? if he assumed a different persona, did he later reveal his true self only to kisame or to all of his chosen '7 swordsmen'? madara's status as mizukage and his relationship with kisame is in fact a hot topic ever since that 'revelation' from shark face. it's a rich minefield for interesting theories. what is quite clear is that kisame and madara had an understanding that being part of or infiltrating akatsuki is a strategic move for them as compatriots from the mist. beyond that we can't quite be sure.

i'm sorry if i have offended anyone by my actions and comments or have made anyone feel bad... i have promised myself not to intentionally cause anyone harm. even if it was unintentional, it still makes me feel bad if i cause anyone hurt. it is never my intention to promote myself or gain followers, i have as many imperfections as any worldly sinner could ever have. but thanks for the advise I think i could indeed use a more pretentious user name. i just love this little community we have here, but i will be willing to leave if it's for the best. peace.

there are reasons why humans lie, perhaps the smartest reason is to decieve. it does not matter if it is for good or bad but most likely if benefits the liar.

it benefits the liar.. sorry for the "if" above

@Melo, do what you want, not what others want. You will learn that the hard or easy way, as all of great spammers with brains (including me) have.

@venger. As a universal norm, it is really not good to tell a lie and to misrepresent the truth. And while most of us would be against lying or would not admit to lying, we know that the law against lying is not absolute. I am not advocating that it's OK to lie but there are indeed a few situations that there is a much more important value than merely telling the truth. In other words, it does matter if one lies in order to do harm or to prevent harm, to defend life or to bring death. Some people lie in order to defend one's self or others, e.g., to prevent having people get hurt or killed. Just as in a war, a POW opts to suffer torture and a painful death than having the enemy get it from him the location of his comrades; he is therefore preventing the enemy from attacking them and causing their deaths. In this case, the torturers don't deserve the truth (where the location of the hideout is) be told them, for their harmful and/or evil intentions; while the POW tells a lie in order to defend/save life. This I think is justified, or at least, the gravity of the POW's sin is minimized/mitigated. Also given the circumstances that he is not free but is a captive, there is really not much he can do but to lie and to die, in order to save others. However, a habitual liar is a different case, s/he could be psychologically sick or is enslaved by the devil who is 'the father of lies.' Clearly, the one who lies in order to deceive and to benefit from the act of deception and from the suffering he caused on others, is evil.

melo, based on the example you just made regarding the POW's you are only looking at one side of the story, you forgot to consider that the torturers are also doing what they can to save lives perhaps or whatever, the sad truth is good or evil depends on a persons perspective/point of view/beliefs/faith would you not agree?

I definitely agree with you, venger. While a lot of good and evil may be conditioned by circumstances that is governed by culture, beliefs, philosophies, and personal points-of-view, there remains some very crucial instances and acts that can be considered universally and/or intrinsically evil. Such examples are war, specifically, the killing of innocents, the helpless, and the unborn. Indeed, in the context of war and conflict, there would be more 'necessary evils' than no moral or normal person would ever wish to commit under normal and peaceful conditions. That makes war evil, even if only for the fact that it has lead good men to do evil. That's why Nagato categorically said that there are no winners in war, only losers (in http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/449/11/), "War brings death... and wounds and pain to both sides . . . Dying like trash, never ending hatred, pain that never heals... That is war." Following your argument, if the torturers have had any good reason such as to defend life (that of their countrymen and comrades as well) by torturing or killing their enemies, then their evil act of torturing a helpless man and causing bloodshed can be rationalized or mitigated, though maybe not truly justified. I doubt it if doing evil for the sake of good is a good thing to do -- "the end does not justify the means." For example, i still think it evil when the Americans dropped the Atomic bomb on Japan not only once but TWICE, even if that attack ended WWII in the Pacific. I am also not saying the Japanese have not committed war crimes, my Filipino countrymen (and women!) and the whole nation also suffered tremendously from the Japanese forces. Both the Allied and Axis forces did evil in the war. Of course, killing in the name of self-defense can be justified but only if there is no other way to defend one's life. But at the wake of WWII, many innocents have died, and the environment suffered a lot. As such, no one comes out of war without blood in their hands, and guilt in their hearts . . . thus, the symbolic 'washing of the hands' of Pontius' Pliate as a vain attempt of ridding himself of the guilt of Jesus' blood on the cross of capital punishment. Anyway, back to our discussion on lying -- the 10 Commandments read: "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor." The intent of the prohibition is to prevent anyone from causing harm to others by making false accusations, or twisting the truth to give substance to the false accusations. That is, to make falsehood appear true, and to cause an innocent person to suffer the guilt and punishment of a crime he did not commit. In essence, it warns us not to tell lies especially if it brings an innocent person undue harm and suffering. Thanks, venger, for initiating a well-intentioned debate and reflection on the issue. :)

@NW, thanks man. thank you for reminding me not to be over-sensitive. i just want to keep the peace that's all, but of course, not without the fun. that 'peace' would be boring. so i dare have us some disagreements, some more debates, and even more outrageous theories... just for kicks. :) as the site's record stands at 110 pages, we can try spamming for some agreed time. that is, if the admin still allows it, or if we can beat the system. :)

I think the world would be a better place if everyone thinks like melo!! Kidding aside. Really moving points you got there melo. I haven't have such a great read in a while.

I just want to mention one thing about your WWII melo; at the time, the Japanese was being controlled mainly by the samurai that turned out to be serving a power hungry Emperor. The Japanese had to be stopped and they would only respond to strength in war. No one wanted to really use the Nukes but it was the only way to show the power regime at the time that they had no right to stretch out their hand to control the world. That's all I wanted to say on that topic.

The intent behind the lie is the real sin, as you eloquently reiterated.

Actually.... during the end of ww2 the japanese were ready to surrender and sent a convoy on board an american ship to negotiate a truce. But the USA rejected and used the Atomic Bombs which were originally meant to use against Germany but they already had surrendered. So sato i think this country actually did want to use the A-Bomb. I mean you created something to use but your original plan back fires and you still have one enemy left...what would you do?

Pearl Harbor, 9/11, spanish war... all events/wars driven by propaganda,lies, and fear. After world war 1 the treaty of paris put most if not all the blame on Germany which in turn pretty much was the spark to having hitler in power during world war 2.

Let's not make this into a poltical discussion board, will you guys? Leave the speculation about real history alone and focus on the aspects of the manga, etc.

Well thats too bad, because we tie in political issues into the naruto verse. Better then spamming the board with useless shit like number 1 and other crap.

Interesting discussion: keep it up (Y). To 'melo': about abortions, ("killing unborn"), being universally and/or intrinsically evil: I can assure you that like 95 per cent of the women in Europe thinks otherwise. The general european woman calls it "the right to decide over the own body", and to support that, I'll say that fosters that haven't reached twelve weeks in its mothers belly, is no smarther than a meduze, since it has no brain to think with.

I understand that most of you that talk our preaches about religion, have been raised differently, and probably comes from somewhere in America, maybe a red state, like Texas or Alabama ;). I don't know about melo, though, since he's quite smart and philosophical, despite his religious beliefs ;). Anyway, keep the interesting comments comming, whether its about the Naruto manga or not: almost anything is better than spam. In case you've missed: I am 'pro choise', and pro life, (in the sence that I am in most cases against the death penalty), unlike some people who claims to be 'pro life'. Oh well, keep on posting ;P. // Peace

Meduze=Jellyfish

When it comes to abortion and religion, i look at it from a religious point of view (islamic point of view). Those of us here who follow one of the monotheistic religions can come to an agreement that the fetus needs to have a soul for it to be considered a live human being. In islam, if a woman wants to have an abortion she is allowed to during the first 4 weeks into her pregnancy. After that it is forbidden and she will be considered murdering a human. In islam, we believe that once the fetus has taken its shape after 4 weeks God then places the soul in the baby and is then considered to be alive. How can anyone say that a person who has a heart, lungs, kidney, liver, and brain is alive when there is no soul driving it?

Well, excuse me, onekingowns, I don't mind people talking about *real* history, but saying Pearl Harbor and other events were events driven by propanganda, etc. boarders on personal views and not real history, like your talk that the Japanese actually sought peace in WWII prior before the USA dropped the atomic bomb. I checked online and found no real reference anywhere of such attempts. The Japanese of WWII refused to surrender before the bombs were dropped. So it makes me question whether you're being objective in your views in relation to real history and not made-up *conspiracy theorcies*. I don't mind talk of real history, not made-up history by people to fit events to their personal views.

They refused to surrender because they werent allowed a truce based on their terms. Go to any real political science professor and he will tell you the same. It's also common sense, something you probably dont have.

Excuse me, but you're not insulting people, and that's *rude*. In war, do you really think the Japanese, who were *loosing* the war, think they can get surrender terms *their* way? You're the one who is not using commen sense. The loosing side do *not* get everything their way

Excuse me, but you're not insulting people, and that's *rude*. In war, do you really think the Japanese, who were *loosing* the war, think they can get surrender terms *their* way? You're the one who is not using commen sense. The loosing side do *not* get everything their way

By the way it's *losing" not loosing. When Japan continued to reject the Potsdam terms, the United States then dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in early August. Between the two bombs, the Soviets invaded Japanese-held Manchuria, as agreed at Yalta. On August 15, 1945 Japan surrendered, ending the war.[164]

I found that in 1 minute. You sure you know how to use the internet?

Again, you're being rude, and your points *proved* what I stated that Japanese refused the terms given to them, thus by not surrendering, the USA used the bombs. You stated the Americans on purpose rejected the Japanese terms in order to drop the bomb, when in reality, the Japanese are the ones who refused to surrender. Again, the losing side do not get their way when it comes to surrender terms. The Allies (not just America) wanted the Japanese to accept those terms. Will you stop being such a rude guy?

How am i being rude?, go do some research. Japanese did infact come with their terms for peace but were denied.

Ptosdam terms were made by the allies in July, and the Japanese *refused* those terms. According to real history, the Japanese did not made any terms between the Ptosdam terms and the dropping of the bombs. A matter of fact, they stated they will fight to the death, thinking they will be invaded, for they did not know of the bombs. Again, the losing side does not have the authority to give terms and expect things their way. The Ptsodum terms were quite reasonable, but the Japanese expected to keep territory their conquered. With them having already lost the war, do you think they can give such terms? Nope. So once again, the Japanese were the ones who did not accept the terms given to them, not the other way around. And you're being rude by making such snide remarks as "You're sure you know how to use the Internet?" and "It's also commen sense, something which you do not have." Talk without these snide remarks.

Well if you dont like political discussions and so on, you can leave and not read any of the comments. It's really that easy honestly go ahead and try it.

the agent of chaos

Well, if the debate ends there, then 'Jupmod' is the clear winner. I also find it ironic and funny, when religious people talks about common sence ;). Sorry 'onekingowns', but the one writing down common sence, is 'jupmod', at least from my point of view.

As far as I know, more than 50 per cent of the 50 biggest cities in Japan, were already destroyed, before the nukes were released. Yet the totalitarian fascist japaneese government refused to give up, and bagan or continued with 'kamikazee-warfare', (using airplanes as missiles). If a country refuses to give up in a war, even when it's already destroyed, more or less: then there isn't much else to do than releasing nukes, to put an end of the misery. The resolution of dropping atomic bombs, saved millions of lives, indirectly. Wo knows how long the war would've continued, if the nukes wern't dropped?

Onekingowns... Your last post makes no sense in relation to discusion.

The debate whether or not the dropping of the bombs saved more lives is quite gray. Even now, decades later, historians are not sure whether the bombs saved lives or not. The American forces knew the Japanese would have fought to the death if they invaded the country, and they had predicted a far higher death rate for both sides than Okinawa, say a million lives lost. Yet there are those not quite sure whether such a high death rate might have occured if America invaded mainland Japan. It's why even I question whether or not the atomic bombs did save more lives or not. Yet I do agree that if the bombs have not been dropped, the war would have dragged on even longer due to members of the Japanese government who would rather fight to the bitter end, even if it means the total destruction of the entire Japanese country.

Getting this back on topic of Naruto, this latest manga chapter was interesting in linking what Nagato/Pain said and what Sasuke said. It's exactly the same line of thought that unless you do not experience pain, you can not understand a person who had experienced pain. Just Sasuke uses 'hatred' instead of 'pain'. Is there a difference? I don't think there is, since Sasuke's 'hatred' comes from his 'pain'. Since Naruto now knows what it feels to seek 'revenge', does this mean he can get Sasuke to listen to reason? It's clear Sasuke is on his way to Konoha, and we might get to see the next Sasuke-Naruto fight, where Naruto could get Sasuke to stop, as he did with Nagato. It'll be interesting to know what Naruto thinks of Sasuke joining the Akatsuki.

My last comment was not written based on the discussion. I was merely telling you, since you said lets not have political discussions here; to leave if you dont like it. How stupid are you?

SPOILER CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!! Naruto says that he won't allow this.[Danzou becoming Hokage] Kakashi tells him off, saying that it's what the higher-ups have decided for the time being, if he's[naruto] is unlucky, he'll get thrown into jail[for opposing Danzou]... At least until Tsunade wakes up. Scene change to Danzou Danzou orders Sai to make sure Naruto doesn't do something stupid The reason why, is because Naruto is a hero right now. He's more popular than Danzou. Punishing him[naruto] could lead to the people of the village revolting. After receiving his orders, Sai goes to meet up with Naruto and the others. Naruto asks Sai what Danzou's like, Sai says he doesn't really know him, but Danzou donates curse marks/seals to all members of Root. Sai can't talk about classified info, because everyone who has, has fallen over unconscious.(Talking = Death) Some prehistory on Sai [Unsure]Then the guy who authorized taking care of Sasuke, comes out. [Unsure]They hear the Cloud ninja talking. "That Sasuke guy abducted our master(s)" [Something about Naruto and Sakura not making a mutual effort, and either getting pissed off or brushing their worries off] A dark influential person --> Two dark persons "Why would Sasuke do something like that?" [Something about the present time, Akatsuki, Kumogakure, an attack, and master being abducted] Everyone is surprised by this Spine is of some small frog, forgot his name

Thanks semaka, i saw this on a site as well but just didnt feel like posting a brief summary was waiting maybe for an actual translated one but thanks anyways.

you're welcome. So, another "filler" chapter. I think Kishi wants to prepare the ground for this arc, and starts it slow. I said 2 days ago that I want to see Naruto's face when he finds out that Sasuke is in Akatsuki. It looks like I will see Sakura's face too.

I think this is going to be a turning point in naruto's life as well. Remembering what Itachi said to naruto, he said what if sasuke wants to destroy the village what will you do? its either sasuke or konoha. As you said semaka, kishi is starting slow and is heading towards the precipice of narutos life/the naruto verse. And then we shall find out what naruto will do once he reaches the highest stage in his life.

I wrote about this in an earlier post. Naruto will have to choose on which destiny to pursue. Save Sasuke or become Hokage. If Naruto saves Sasuke and he returns, then Naruto can't change the ninja world. Its two things that follow different paths. If he becomes Hokage, he can re-root the Uchiha clan in the leaf and change the ninja world. This is the same thing that happened to Jiraiya. He had to choose between changing the ninja world and saving Orochimaru. If he had not given up on Orochimaru, he would not have become the great sage ninja he was. And, yes to all those who may question if Jiraiya was a sage before or after looking for Orochimaru. He kept track of him after he became a sage and was writing his books and traveling. For this very same reason I said that Naruto will fail to save Sasuke. He has to succeed in changing the ninja world. This will be the great failure for Naruto.

no i cant agree with you sato4kaiba i think naruto will save the ninja world by saving sasuke, and that means going against danzo

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sorry didnt mean to post that just like that i was going to say that i think their is a chance that tobi isnt the real madara. i know that sounds weird but they has to be a reason why we havent seen tobi's face but we know what madara looks like. any thoughts or ideas are welcome

monkeymonkey, I thought the same thing as well. There is no point to hiding the face of Tobi because we do know what Madara looks like. This is one of the reasons that made me post that Tobi is not Madara. There was a play on words where Tobi said that Madara power is his, and that he is Marada. There is also the case where Kisame says that Madara is Mizukage and that he is Madara. Is there another Uchiha posing as Madara and that Madara is really dead. What if the one posing as Madara is really Madara's brother, the same brother that isn't dead.

basically there is a chance that danzo is affiliated to akatsuki and aidding them in extracting naruto's bijuu. after all he is power hunger.

For me it'll be a bit of a disappointment if Naruto just talks to Sasuke and persuades him to forget about revenge. After all what Sasuke said about breaking bonds, his own path and suchlike it would look ridiculous. It seems to me Sasuke might realize that he hasn't actually broken bonds when seeing Naruto trying to kill him for real. Or maybe Sasuke'll die trying to protect his former friends from Toby.

i dont think sasuke will ever return to konoha.. i mean after all he has done it would be .. well... stupid to just accept him again in the village.. i believe he will become something like Narutos rival but in a friendly way.. and as something like a vagabond who helps out sometimes or something like that. anyway, kishi has a great task in front of him.. pleasing all the sasuke haters and the sasuke lovers so both sides are more or less happy with the result.. :> but i personally as a "sasuke-do-whatever-you-want" fan dont really care about him but he is a major character if not a protagonist/antagonist in the end.. :/ ( i guess naruto will save sasuke from madara but has to sacrifice something for it to "wake sasuke up".. maybe his dream to become hokage or to have sasuke back in the village)

onekingowns... Who is the one being stujpid making stupid comments? Not me.

I would just like to note 2 things. 1. With the cursed seal gone Sasuke has lost a large portion of his chakra (he will not be able to perform as many high level techniques, such as that fire jutsu we saw blow off the roof). 2. The wind chakra in Rasen Shuriken is not insignificant, in fact there is a ton. the reason it will beat any non-doujutsu fire move is in the explanation Kakashi gave when Naruto was first learning his element before he faught Kakuzu. When nature chakra is applied to form chakra it becomes 10 times as strong. You would need a fire jutsu with 10 times more chakra in it than the rasen shuriken, at which point you are probably talking about power only the tailed beasts can produce. Another note here is that Kakashi said 10 times for his version of form and nature (chidori), but remember that this includes a very low-level nature manipulation. He said himself that rasengan is form mastery to the extreme. Even when there was only a small bit of wind in the rasengan, it tore through Kakashi’s chidori. No fire attack that we have seen so far, except amaterasu, has even the slightest chance of overpowering the shuriken rasengan. You are all forgetting how high level this move is.

Yea but with Sasukes speed he should be able to avoid a straight rasengan shuriken with ease. And to be honest.. that is one thing i expect from Naruto even now.. very strange btw that he keeps using his technique while knowing that it utterly destroys the target if it hits but than again doesnt want to kill or is shown to kill someone with it.. :/ i guess we'll never see Rasengan Shuriken hit a real enemy.. :/ and i know that some of pains bodys got destroyed by it but they were just puppets somehow

@90: I think Kishi keeps Tobi's face covered is because either Madara had some alterations to his face, there is clearly a hint that he only has one eye, and there has to be something else on his left side of the face. He isn't Obito, because clearly he is old, Obito should be the same age as Kakashi. He isn't Danzou, because the lines on Madara's right side of the face are pointing up, and the lines on Danzou's face are pointing down. So, no, not Danzou. The only thing I can think of is that he has something serious on his face, that made him immortal, maybe there is a price to pay for using Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

Well, i think this filler chapter is going to be lame from the looks of it.

And to jumpmod, shut the fuck up already you cock sucking bitch.