awesome...

Nice chapter

great chap.

top 4

great chapter

peace has arrived.

it's interesting why nagato could have said this. what does he mean by "peace" in this context?

yeah... good chapter. aku nombor lapan juak hek...hek...

lucky number 8!!! nice chapter...hopely there will be earlier release on next chapter..

it's too early.. nice one

the long awaited talk talk talk

i wont be surprised if somebody pops out of nowhere and suddenly kills nagato in the middle of the conversation between him and naruto

great chapter

great chapter

i hope its great

melo: Peace is death for PEIN. He believes that he is going to die at the hands of Naruto. His ideals are, pain leads to hatred and in his mind Naruto will follow. However, this is where he fails to understand who Naruto really is - I believe that when Naruto used the metal rod and put into his hand he was showing Nagato that he know what is truly means to feel pain. This was clear since they show the reflections of Naruto's pain and not Nagato's pain or even Naruto seeing where Nagato is hiding. This is why Nagato said that one had to feel the same type of pain to understand someone who have experienced the same; the truth is Nagato knows that he and Naruto don't agree and my never agree. The big question is, what is he going to do with Nagato now that he is beaten. I don't believe that Nagato can fight with his body at all and this is one of the reasons why he developed the jutsu that he currently uses. What are your thoughts on this?

Konan will protect Nagato at all cost. Besides, She's an akatsuki member too.

i think that nagato will die due to his exhausted condition and that konan will that become an allie of konoha

konoha is a big mess

i cant believe that the 6th pein will be killed only by 1 rasengan ^_^

well its not dead ... if he removed the chakara controler then u cant control the body which the real pein is controling .. so ofc it will die if someone removed it

those 6 bodies were already dead.. they are just puppets.

we call that in our country "double-dead meat"

Nice chapter but again a little too short damn...everything that we read in todays manga can be put in like a couple of scenes that will last 5 min in the anime ...

"Peace has arrived." Boy, that's quite a line. So does this mean Nagato knows Naruto knows what it means to bring out peace, or is that line just said knowing he will die and will finally find peace himself? Naruto knows he must stop Nagato or else he will just create 6 more Pains. Just will Naruto able to talk Nagato out of his quest or will he have to kill Nagato? Given Naruto's uncanny ability to change people, I bet he will get Nagato to listen to reason. This will be a first if Nagato does not listen to reason. Naruto knows now that the cycle of hatred must end in order to find peace, and he's starting it with Nagato. Other than this, I'm baffled by Naruto's ability to get back into Sage Mode without the need of clones or staying still. Kishi slipped here. :

Woah.. I like what's happening. It's gonna be real interresting to see what happens next! =)

nice one

@jupmod,probably naruto rested for a while in order to gather natural energy before he went to meet nagato.

@sato & jupmod. nice reflection on nagato's idea of "peace." it is indeed probable that nagato is expecting to die. he defines peace as the product of death. in ch432pp02-03 was the famous talk about peace between nagato and naruto. nagato said to naruto, "our sensei longed for peace." naruto objected, "what have you done? you call this peace?! don't make me laugh!!" nagato: "you don't know what peace is. your death will lead to peace. come quietly." here it is not likely that nagato is referring to naruto's death. he knows fully well that his mission is to capture naruto and not to kill him. so nagato indeed is defining peace as directly related to death. obviously this is his own definition of "peace," it is not jiraiya's. jiraiya's idea of peace is the condition wherein people truly understand each other so that there is no need for war. however, nagato does not believe this is genuinely possible. he does not believe people are capable of truly understanding one another, people are evil. so the only possible form of peace is death, or the peace that is brought about by death. when people die, then there's peace. no more arguments, no more fighting, dead people can't talk nor fight. nagato applies this concept also to war that leads to many deaths. the more deaths, the more peace. when people are so afraid of war and has become so weary of great suffering and deaths, then they will stop waging war against each other. in both ways, literal death and the fear of death stops wars, and when there is no war, then there is peace. simply put, it is death that leads to peace. if our reasoning is correct, then we are justified in thinking that the context that shapes and gives meaning to nagato's idea of peace is the experience of death. nagato believes naruto has come to avenge the deaths of his friends and loved ones, and the utter destruction of his beloved village, and he believes naruto has every the right to do just as he did. nagato understands pain, nagato understands naruto. this is the ninja system of hatred. and in this vicious cycle of hate and pain, death is salvation, death is peace. for nagato, death actually is a form of service, a blessing. so his expression "peace has arrived" may actually mean "death has arrived." nagato expects to die in the hands of naruto.

nice

i got nothing to say this time i will just sit and wait for ne next chapter. im so excited

I don't believe that for nagato peace is death... Remember he already have a plan for peace. That is to capture all bijū and to control the world in order to have peace. The line "peace has arrived" could only mean that pain somehow or hoping that naruto will have an answer to "ninja system". If death is peace for pain why do collect all "bijū" in the first place.

@scorpi89 maybe he rested, maybe he sent out a clone to stand still, but i think he used the chakra receiver he took from pain to help him gather natural energy while he was going to meet pain

Drama.. drama.. drama... Nice word by shikamaru!!! Makes me wonder what happen in the next Chapters...

Ten points melo, nicely thought out analysis, & i agree entirely. Whats so exciting for me is the prospect of nagato finally finding the peace which he craves, but not on account of his death. I'm also looking forward to a potential naruto vs konan battle. It should be interesting, given that naruto is already inside her paper tree. I suppose we woulda made some clones and left them outside to gather natural energy. Or perhaps he is a clone. Can't wait to find out! Just one question, would nagato be able to use all the abilities that his pains could? I just wonder if those abilities are gifts granted by the rinnegan or the bodies that are being controlled, because a chapter or two ago nagato says something along the lines of "this is nothing compared to the moon the sage of six paths made," referring to the gravity jutsu. If that is the case, then the sage of six paths must have had that ability as he wouldn't have had control of the same body nagato now has that was using that jutsu. Any thoughts?

the next 2-3 chapters will be all talk btw naruto and nagato. jst hope it wont b borin

i think ha probably stood outside d tree and entered sage mode b4 goin 2 c nagato

@sato/about nagato's capability to fight in his present state. we can only conjecture that he cannot fight. given that he looks frail, he is coughing blood a couple of times. he has used a lot of chakra for all his jutsus, most especially in his hidden ultimate jutsu. we know that when one has spent too much chakra and goes empty, he only will not have the ability to fight but also because he shall die. we have already argued that nagato is expecting to die soon, to find or to meet his "peace" (i.e., his justice, his executioner). he has given his all, or at least, spent too much chakra and shown so much uncanny skill, through his 6 paths of pain. he knows how strong naruto is, having killed all his six bodies: asura realm (430p17-18), hungry ghost/preta realm (431p16), human and animal realms (432p8,p16), hell/naraka realm (433p17/435p06), god/deva realm (443). however, even if we have not seen the present nagato doing any jutsu without his 6 paths, it is still possible that he can do jutsu on his own just as he did when he was a child. if this is so, then we can still expect nagato to fight to the last breath.

wow i have to say naruto has really change, hes finally grown mentally as well as physically. This is my first time saying it, but have to admit that naruto wouldnt make a half bad hokage for the village.(As he is right now) Hes stable, hes not that hot headed idiot as he use to be, he actually thinks before he acts. (and im not talking about when he was a kid)

Melo on this line "you don't know what peace is. your death will lead to peace. come quietly." I dont think Pain is referring to bring death to Naruto at that precise moment. But he is so likely to be referring to bring his death afterwards by extracting the fox, jutsu that leaves the host lifeless and thus using the fox to bring fear to people. Also, i dont know about death literally being peace. I think Nagato cares very little whether the souls of the ones he has killed or will kill find peace or are at peace. Nagatos final goal is peace...peace with no deaths and no wars, if this is the peace he is working for, his justice, then we are saying that he wants a world without deaths, therefore he does not relate death with peace in that way. He just uses death to create fear and with fear control people. But living with fear is not living is not real peace, but thats all all cuz we all know that hes not like naruto and he should have a little more faith in people. From what I understand Pain wants peace. But in order to get to his goal he needs lots of power. You know to make people know and feel pain with wars and all the despair that wars bring. Thats why he needs to kill Naruto and get his fox, thats part of the plan, nothing personal. I think Nagato is more concerned with the peace of the living and the collective living. Both Naruto and Nagato want peace, whoever wins, get to bring out his own justice and peace. Nagato knows he's defeated, and Narutos perspective of peace has won and arrived.

@rvicars The abilities of pein were given by nagato, its the power of his rinnegan. In other words nagato can use those same jutsus they are gift granted by the rinnegan, yahiko pein (god realm) is a testament to this.

Great chapter! I’m of the opinion that Nagato can be forgiven and that Naruto will be the one to do it. Ever since the beginning of the Naruto series, Masashi has painstakingly pointed out Naruto’s ability to change people, through his comical and clumsy personality(which I like). Even during the Gaara story arc, Kakashi pointed out to Chiyo his(Naruto) ability to change people. Now from Nagato’s point of view, Konoha is the bad guy always invading the Hidden Rain Village, battling it out with there leader and the death of his parents at the hands of Konoha. Nagato has every right to mete justice out to Konoha, or get his revenge. And that’s what Naruto’s struggling with, he’s always assumed that Konoha was the good guy, but now he’s wrestling with Nagato’s point of view that Konoha might not be seen that way. And thats what is interesting about Naruto and what will happen next. Nobody knows how to solve this conundrum, or kobayashi maru(sorry, star trek reference), not yondaime or jiraiya. They all believe Naruto might come up with an answer because of his ability to bring people together(Neji, Gaara, Tsunade, Snow Princess, Moon Country prince, Gelil Stone, etc.). But how he’s going to do it is the fun that keeps me reading(that and Naruto’s development). Great Chapter and can’t wait for next week.

well, well, it looks like Naruto really is growing up. Its pretty awesome to see him actually think in a battle and more so to see him understand where someone else is coming from and realize truth even when darkness surround it (what Nagato said to him even though Nagato killed everything he loved). On another note, I am really surprised that Naruto is in sage mode. I had to go back to previous pages to make sure I was seeing correctly. However, I don't really want to conjecture as to why he is because it'll explain it next ch (besides it would have been really easy for him to make clones and use them to gather sage energy).

I was quite intrigued with Nagato calling Naruto peace. @Hugolain: great analysis on the reason of Naruto's death being peace. I completely agree that it isn't his death that brings peace but his death is a by-product of what will bring peace which is the Fox. However, I would disagree with Nagato's definition of peace being him not wanting death. The proof is in the way he relentless kills everywhere he goes. He has destroyed several towns and has killed many people without even batting an eye. Not to mention his own Master. This is evidence that he really doesn't care about preserving life, but will strive for his peace at any cost.

More on peace: Nagato's definition of peace is getting rid of the hated cycle through fear/power(that is justice/revenge repeated over and over again). A note to make here is that even Nagato realizes that it is an imperfect peace. He says, "It will give birth to short periods of peace within this endless chain of hatred" (ch436 pg16). But with all that said, we are looking at the wrong angle. I think Nagato calls Naruto peace because in ch436 pg7 Pein asks Naruto what he wants and he says, "I want to defeat you and bring peace to the world of ninjas!" By defeat that means kill. In other words, Killing Pein will bring peace. I'll agree with several other comments in saying that Nagato realizes he is very close to defeat and Naruto has come to kill him, and thus bring peace to Naruto's ninja world. What are your thoughts? One more thought, since Nagato views peace as having power enough to cause the world fear enough to make them not want to fight (aka peace through power). So, by calling Naruto peace he could be acknowledging Naruto's power. However, I really don't see this being true but it is still an interesting thought and may spark someone else to greater thought.

@Sato:Great thoughts. I am going to partially agree with Melo here and say that Nagato should be capable of fighting and ninjas seem to be able to pull some sort of last ditch effort when they are extremely low on shakara. It'll be interesting to see if this happens. Furthermore, I would think that the reason for Nagato to develop this technique is to protect himself. If he is not on the battle field himself, then he is not is real danger of being killed. This is similar to the way other akatsuki members used puppets to protect, or used other hearts, or transfered souls. Plus it is his shakara he is using to wield the 6 Peins around and as long as a ninja can mold shakara he should be able to fight. Although, I forsee him getting destroyed if he trys to fight in the frail condition he is in, lol. Go Naruto!

Referring to what #12 Venger_Steelheart said, I agree that somebody from the Akatsuki might kill Nagato after a long conversation to stop him from revealing Akatsuki's "real" plans for the ninja world. As to Konan, she got hooked in Akatsuki coz of Nagato so his death would mean she's done from the organization.

I'm quite sure that during the next chapters we'll find out what happened to the trio of Nagato. What event made him the present Nagato. We will see how his friend died, an event that added to his so called 'pein'.

Comment #32 Avex, Biju was collected not because of Nagato, it's because of Madara who is the 'true' leader of Akatsuki. He ordered Akatsuki members to collect them all so that he can use that to destroy Konoha and the rest who will oppose him. Nagato became a 'puppet' of Madara. He was brainwashed by Madara by promising him that they will bring peace to the world if he (nagato) will join him (madara). Its becoming clearer now.

Let us all remember that Madara is triple SSS Super Genius Ninja. He had concealed his 'true' plans effectively. He even disguised himselt as Tobi who's a clumsy idiot ninja.

Sad to say that the action stops here guyz. Its gonna be a long talk talk talk chapters next. There is no potential Konan vs. Naturo since Nagato ordered him to stand aside!!

And I don't think that Naruto will kill Nagato coz if he want to, he could have let the other group come with him and beat the crap out of Nagato. As he said, Vengeance will not solve the problem and will not bring peace to the world.

Seriously, you guys need to get out more. Just sit back and enjoy the chapters, buds. No more of this analysis crap. Hehehe! :D

@hanteisensei even if pain (was brain wash) or used by madara to collect the biju. It is by his own point of view that he will use all the biju to create peace (He said it himself). That's why he want to capture the ninetails. May be somehow he knew that madara is using him, BUT, for as long as he gets his goal he riding with it. He wanted to create peace out of fear.

It was several chapters in the making and required quite a few sacrifices to come to this point, but Naruto has finally defeated God Realm Pein, the last and most powerful of the six Pein bodies. I must say again what a superb strategy Naruto had pulled off in his final move. Unlike in some of Sasuke’s fights we’ve seen in the past, Naruto’s tactics are simpler yet still manage to surprise both the enemy and the reader at the same time. I had said last time that I believed Naruto has matured to a whole new level because of the type of thinking he must have employed to pull off his last move, but what Naruto has done in the current chapter makes me believe that he may have surpassed everyone’s expectations of him. What he does within the next few chapters could very well spark a turning point in the world of the shinobi in the Naruverse. No one would blame Naruto for hating Pein. In a short span of time, Pein has continued to strip away from Naruto those things which he holds dear. Having grown up without parental figures, the entire village of Konoha and his closest friends and peers became a sort of substitute family for Naruto. So having those things destroyed before his very eyes would definitely justify Naruto to take out his rage on the perpetrator - Nagato; it certainly is the instinctive thing most other ninjas in Naruto’s position would do. Yet, instead of going directly after Nagato after God Realm is defeated, Naruto takes the time to examine his foe and makes an active attempt to try to understand Pein’s point of view. He again stabs one of Pein’s chakra receptors into himself, not to trace Nagato’s location (he’s no longer in Sage mode) but in an attempt to tap into Nagato’s thoughts still being transmitted through the receptor. Well, that’s what I understand from the scene on page 6, anyways. The act of stabbing himself with the enemy’s weapon is a sign that Naruto is already moving beyond the normal thinking process for shinobis — in a world where the main role of a ninja should be to kill the enemy without remorse, Naruto is actively trying to understand his enemy’s point of view before committing to action. I think few people out there could keep their composure as well as Naruto in this situation. Can you imagine having your home destroyed and many of your friends murdered by a person who you’ve never met before, and then having to immediately force yourself to think calmly and rationally so you can meet this person so you can speak with him. Everything about this situation screams of hate and revenge, yet Naruto refuses to allow himself to go down that road. Naruto was serious when he asked to speak with the real Pein (Nagato) in the last chapter. Whether it was Pein’s words, memories of Jiraiya’s wish for peace or his encounter with his own father in his consciousness, Naruto has made the decision to meet with Pein by himself and most perhaps come to an understanding of why his enemy came to his home to commit such atrocities. By no means do I think will forgive Pein for what he has done, but this process of speaking with the enemy may be one step in the direction of achieving the dream of peace both Jiraiya and his father have striven for. This is a side of Naruto I would have never imagined to witness; this is the same Naruto who used to charge in a fit of rage at his enemies with no prior thought. Naruto’s chance meeting with Inoichi’s group in the forest reveals that Naruto has put thought into what he is doing and isn’t planning to just go it alone because of ego or pride. In his exchange with Inoichi, Naruto clearly expresses his opinion that simply carrying out revenge on Pein and retribution on his village (Amegakure) isn’t going to resolve anything except perpetuating the chain of hatred. Although Inoichi fails to understand Naruto’s position, it is Shikaku who seems to understand Naruto and convinces the others to trust in Naruto to handle Nagato. Shikamaru had told Shikaku before that there’s something special about Naruto, something which changes people and allow them to open up. It’s a risky decision to place so much trust in Naruto in such a situation, but perhaps Shikaku too feels that if anyone can bring about a change in the shinobi world, it would be Naruto.

That’s all I wanted to say about this chapters. Some final thoughts before I retire for the night: 1. I’m very happy that Hinata recovered so quickly. I wonder what would happen between she and Naruto after all this fighting ends. 2. The last panel of the chapter shows Naruto in sage mode again. It’s confusing because Naruto used up all his remaining sage chakra to defeat God Realm. So I guess he probably took a short stop on the way to Nagato’s location to collection more nature’s energy? 3. It looks like Team Gai is going to support Naruto whether he wants it or not. But I have the feeling they’ll show up at the worst moment and crash in on Naruto’s conversation with Nagato.

things have gone out of the norm. not in one story did i see a character so brave to confront their enemy when the ‘iron was still heated’ or when the situation was still heated. people would normally wait for years till some of the sorrow is bearable to start any sort of compromise with the enemy. uzumaki naruto along with kishi have opened a new path for a new kind of thinking, i declare the current naruto as the top of the reason pyramid. naruto has stepped towards the way of great hero kings. those kings are really rare in history of any culture, and widely misunderstood among their kinsmen. a conversation of MEN is about to start. naruto is a real man going to confront a real man (his enemy). and peace negotiations are about to take place when both parties are so powerful, neither was completely defeated and neither was stopped. this is called the peace of the brave. if people really understood what that means, the world (real world) would have been a better place. some of you are misunderstanding a point here. i once said that kishi had the wrong audience (with absolutely no offense intended in my words). i don’t believe this is about nagato changing to being good (or as what we believe is good). plz remember that konoha is not the best country out there, neither is the village of the rain, neither are their leaders. BUT both are now powerful, and both representatives of those nations are about to start the peace process, or the road map as so to speak. when men talk about peace, women and children (people with inferior emotions) should step out and let the men talk. shikaku understood that, and so did konan. Inoichi was just a kid, he never understood what was going on in the higher ups. shikaku displayed something i really respected, which is absolute trust in his son’s words. Naruto is our representative, and is someone who was inherited the will of fire by instict, unlike other shinobi. most of naruto’s friends KNEW naruto was a great shinobi, and would step out of the way instinctively, HOWEVER, ‘grownups’ are yet to understand that. i believe that the older one gets, the shorter their sight becomes in certain things (would love to quote Itachi on that). children know when someone loves them, but adults, though, fall in a dilemma. but now the time has come, those adults need to know WHO the person in front of them is, and now it’s time for all the clans in the village to understand who the heck naruto is, and to STOP getting in his way and decisions, this IS the son of the 4th hokage, a man who has inherited the title by blood; Namikazi Naruto. i would like to conclude with a great word from a great man: NAGATO, Uzumaki Naruto: “so peace has arrived…”

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@12 and 47 If akatsuki is anything like a real ninja village, they’ll kill any rogue ninja that tries to leave the organization. If nagato going soft, he’ll be treated like Oroc. and akatsuki will kill him the first chance they get. We have to remember that zetsu is always watching from the sidelines, he can pop out at anytime he pleases and kill nagato. Ever wonder why he doesn’t help any of comrades when there in trouble. (Though akatsuki is suppose to only work in two man teams, u would think he could at least lead a hand if they were in trouble) ..... btw it should be obvious now that konan will be joining leaf.

To: lord8469 : Dude good job on writing Naruto essays!

naruto has never killed anyone, i dont htink he'll start now, if he did kill i think itd tear him apart

@Lord(of numbers): you are good at summarizes, which I still don't know why you do. Anyway, your thoughts are quite interesting. I would agree with you that the older people get the more steadfast in their ways they become. I would say that's it more of a faithfulness or loyalty or lack of willingness to change than it is a short sightedness. Adults have a great deal more experience than young punks and have developed their beliefs through these experiences. So, be careful calling them short sighted. More so, It wasn't till this chapter that Naruto was good enough to deserve others to stand back. He always needed someone around to keep his emotions in check to prevent him from running into his own death. He would have died many times over had it not been for his comrades. One thing I strongly feel Naruto has failed to realize is the importance of a team. No one else in Naruverse has the audacity to work by themselves. Yet Naruto is always doing this. He isn't good enough to be Hokage till he can realize he isn't the best, and he needs everyone else. We are made to need community and need each other. Naruto has failed to realize the importance of this.

@Melo: I never got the chance to reply to our previous ch discussion of Danzou and Madara. I'd like to do that now. I won't shun the idea of Madara and Danzou being cohorts, but I won't go as far as to say they are the same person. An easy explanation as to Danzou's action is not that he knew the attack was coming because he talked to or asked Madara/akatsuki to help, but because everyone knew that an attack was emanate. In other words, everyone knew Akatsuki was after the biji's and thus after Naruto. So, Danzou planned his attack knowing that Akatsuki would come. I would like to dispute your "singularity of purpose" comment. Akatsuki want the fox and a few of them want to destroy Konoha. Where Danzou wants to rule it. These are very different perspectives. I also think that Danzou didn't know that Pein was going to blow a crater into his town (speaking of which, Danzou is undergroud. I really hope he wasn't in the middle of town. That would be funny). Had he known that I think he would have tried to come out and stop pein and thus become the hero that saved the town while his supporters killed the current hokage. This would allow Danzou to rise to hokage quite easily. But that is just speculation. What are your words of retort (i eagerly await your wisdom)?

Peace has arrived! Ahh, my peace is lost waiting for the next chapter :), It is painful. Only the ones who have gone through this will understand. Pfft....

peace my ass, when peace arrive that means that it is the end of story, no more naruto manga, dont forget we love naruto because of the action that is going around as a result of the absence of peace

venger I SO AGREE with you... IF PEACE ARRIVE THER WILL BE NO NARUTO MANGA ANYMORE.... vrmkeechoo : i LOLed and ROLMFAO on you comments (no offence)

There is a large percentage of Americans that are biased, and dare i say “hate” any Muslim person from the middle east. They judge them as terrorists when they don’t know a single thing about them besides their skin color and how they dress. Why do you hate an entire community? Why do you hate an entire country even? because you’ve been told they are the enemy. i would love to see a poll on the number of those people who make judgements without even knowing a fraction of the history of the Middle East. This war in iraq was created in reprisal for the attrocity that a SMALL extremist organization committed (911). In actuality, this war started (give or take a couple centuries) when Pakistan was stripped of their entire country and the land was given to Israel for the horrors of genocide. There’s way more history to all the hatred in that area than i care to explain in a manga post. my point though? people who blindly judge others as the enemy never once stop the consider why they must hate and despise them. They don’t even try to understand anything about them, their country, their beliefs, and why they do the things they are doing. These same blind people don’t understand or even care that their country’s war has (unintentionally and intentionally) killed innocent people. you want to talk good vs evil? convince me that killing innocents isn’t an ‘evil action’. what naruto is trying to do is change this path of history. it’s an ambitious path and one full of hardship, pain, and death. sacrifices will have to be made. Nagato’s actions are not justified. what he is doing is indeed wrong and that is why he is the ‘villain’. naruto knows this but he is also starting to understand that there were things (such as war and hatred) that made Nagato what he is and he is not responsible for. It’s called a tragedy. Granted, free choice is what Nagato used when did all those horrible things, but i don’t think that Naruto isn’t going to enact “Justice” to bring about peace. I believe he will attempt to ‘Forgive’ Nagato for all the sins he’s done. sorry for the long post. i just feel that people missed a huge ideal that Kishi has been writing about for a long time now.

lord: I understand your point and its true. On the Muslim point, its not the religion that is the problem but its the fact that the terrorist have use the Koran's words as a reason and have called the terror they inflect as a religious war. There is a lot about that war between Leaf and Rain that Nagato does not know and he didn't take the time to research and understand it. He didn't want to learn it and Hanzo was the one who had the information. There were no winners. In fact, Leaf was loosing the war. Hanzo understood that his enemy was strong and saw no end to the war. He decided to stop, and when he did, the Three Ninjas was standing and they earned the name Sannin (Three Ninjas). Nagato just wanted revenge and he decided to blame leaf rather than the those who were responsible. This is what Sasuke decided when he decided he wanted to get the elders and not Konoha. I just wanted to put some thoughts of confirmations to yours. The solution is no easy one and I guess we will know what Naruto's attempt or solution to the problem will be.

i agree with you lord,but at this moment(real life) THERE ARE NO INNOCENTS NOW regardless who was the one that started the cycle of war.Back to the manga,i think that Naruto is the key of this situation and kishi is giving a big example for the real world..

With regards to Naruto's uncanny ability to 'morph' into Sage mode, I do not believe that Kishi 'screwed' up. Rather, I feel that Naruto has managed to conjure enough chakra, while moving, to become a true Sage. Naruto has grown over the last several chapters and I believe his ability to forgive and look beyond the obvious has been rewarded with an unheard of mastery of Sage Chakra. Minato's, Jariaya's and Kakashi's confidence in Naruto was not unfounded. Naruto has a way of understanding people that goes beyond anyone's comprehension; which is why Kakashi believed that Naruto would surpass the fourth; why Jariya took him under his wing and pumped him full of power and ultimately why his father believes that he was right to seal the 9-tailed demon fox within his son. Naruto his the harbinger of positivity and blind love. The fox kid will change the ninja world once he's wiped the floor with Madara!...

As for Naruto's interaction with Nagato, I agree with Melo and others in that Nagato feels that Naruto is going to bring peace by slaying the Six Paths. However, once Naruto gets to talking, Nagato will see the errors of his ways and repent...but it will be too late in that his life force will have eroded due to the heave use of Chakra. However, all is not loss, there will be a positive outcome in that the lovely Origami princess will aid Konoha in its quest to stop Akatski's dastardly deeds once and for all. This will be an interesting conversation as I have a strong feeling that Danzou will re-emerge (after she tells Naruto's of Mandara's and Dazou's evil coup) and be confronted with the very village that he vows to rule...but as a villain!

can't wait for next episode.... v^_^

Naruto Sage Mode: The reason why Naruto is in Sage Mode is because when he created all the clones, at least two of them, most likely one, hid to gather natural energy. This will be visible in the filler when it comes. Naruto knew that he had to gain an advantage after he killed God Pein. This is how he did. Being in Sage Mode when he meets the real one was the only advantage he had. This is my logical solution to how he became a sage so quickly. What do you guys think about that?

@67/lord8469 i agree to your point and sato's @68 about a lot of people committing the 'crime' of generalizing into Islam the kind of islamic fanaticism that terrorist groups espouse. it is much like blaming all the Jews for the death of Christ, when only those who were in authority (Jewish Sanhedrin and the Roman governor) during Jesus' time and their cohorts who were to blame. Just a point of clarification: was it Palestine (and not Pakistan) that the British and the UN 'displaced' when the Jews' request for an independent state was granted, modern Israel? So that we have native Palestinians inside Israeli 'territory' who are being considered as 'aliens' instead, since they won't agree to being citizens of Israel as they are native Palestinians (who lived in the land for decades/centuries before the Jews were sent 'back' there by the colonialist British during WWII and establish modern Israel).

@63/ramatney. peace bro. i'm sorry if you think i always have a 'retort' ready for all your arguments. i don't. :) i only consider it a possibility that madara and danzou may be connected, or were trading information. i consider it possible but far-fetched or remote that they are actually the same person. it is also equally possible that both are just quick to gain info about each other's activities as they are enemies. we used to think that itachi was the mole in akatsuki, but he is dead already when madara sent pein to destroy konoha. so konoha was in shock when pein came, but danzou was prepared! who could have told him? he was already decided not to fight against pein and defend konoha but to take advantage of the situation instead. he was already in the right place and at the right time quick and exact to do what was necessary (i.e., kill the summoning frog, and keep his people safe from pain or harm's way). i don't think anyone can cook up a mutiny that quickly and systematically when it demands careful planning and sharp execution. i have a 'premonition' that pein's attack was carefully maneuvered by madara and danzou was conveniently in the loop. with madara's penchant for shady organizations, it is plausible that madara could actually be lord of 'root' as well, and danzou, his mole within konoha. madara, the mizukage of the mist, could have promised danzou the hokage of the leaf post, as madara vows to end the reign of 'senju' and become god of the ninja world. and when konoha is already destroyed, it would be danzou who will be credited for the village turning a new leaf, so to speak. he will have the resources (guess, from whom?) to rebuild konoha, and will be acknowledged as the venerable hokage of the new leaf.

@55. very solid arguments from insightful observation. couldn't agree less. most especially in the part where naruto stabs himself again with the chakra receptor rod the 2nd time. i also think it is not only to reconfirm nagato's position but to 'feel' him, to get an insight into nagato's heart. this is very characteristic of a sage. people who were given the gift of empathy and healing can 'feel' what the other person is feeling. and when he is 'now fully present in the other' he is able to experience oneness with the other. (this is actually the language employed in the training of naruto into becoming a sage, i.e., being one with nature!). the 'sage or healer' will be able to understand inwardly what the other person is feeling or 'thinking in his heart', he will be able to 'diagnose' his pain and be able to suggest a path to healing. there's actually a word for this -- "kything." see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kything

contd. i also think it is masterful writing when naruto is apprehended by three expert ninjas who were capable of getting an insight into where the other is. we have inoichi (famous for his ventures into the mind of the other), the byakuugan shinobi (known for locating any living being by 'feeling' their energies/chakra), and shikaku (known for his great wisdom, father of shikamaru the genius). it is surprising that the two ninjas who have extra-sensory powers were not able to understand naruto (well the let's just say, the baykkugan user was in the middle). it was the 'ordinary' guy who is a father who was able to understand. shikaku knows well his son; and his son's testimony about naruto, convinces him of the wisdom that is in naruto, a wisdom that he also shares; the wisdom that asuma also shares, which he also learned from his father the 3rd hokage. it is shikaku who were consistent in 'stopping' people from interfering with naruto, "if naruto has mastered the wisdom of the sages, he is in a wholly different level as of now. it is best not to interfere." and he is seconded by katsuya, which is a mystical being that has healing powers as well. so here we have tha language of spirituality, wholeness/presence, sage/healing wisdom, forgiveness and life/nature coming together -- with the language of war/destruction, hatred/fury, revenge, pain, suffering, and death on the other.

@55. very solid arguments from insightful observation. couldn't agree less. most especially in the part where naruto stabs himself again with the chakra receptor rod the 2nd time. i also think it is not only to reconfirm nagato's position but to 'feel' him, to get an insight into nagato's heart. this is very characteristic of a sage. people who were given the gift of empathy and healing can 'feel' what the other person is feeling. and when he is 'now fully present in the other' he is able to experience oneness with the other. (this is actually the language employed in the training of naruto into becoming a sage, i.e., being one with nature!). the 'sage or healer' will be able to understand inwardly what the other person is feeling or 'thinking in his heart', he will be able to 'diagnose' his pain and be able to suggest a path to healing. there's actually a word for this -- "kything." see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kything

@30/avex and @40/hugolain. thanks for the well though out clarifications. I was only affirming what sato and jupmod have said. Indeed, I agree that Pain is NOT "referring to bring death to Naruto at that precise moment. . . he is so likely to be referring to bring his death afterwards by extracting the fox, jutsu that leaves the host lifeless and thus using the fox to bring fear to people." That is indeed very possible. But when I said that death brings peace -- it is the literal/physical peace that is being referred to -- the cessation of one's pain and suffering on earth. When we die, we stop hurting. That is the reason why there is such a thing as 'mercy' killing. This kind of death and peace (cessation of suffering) is of course, not in the level of the spiritual, or pertaining to the soul. About nagato's peace: indeed, the question is NOT 'what is peace?' but 'how is peace attained?' what is the true path that leads to genuine peace? all the six realms are caught in pain or has their corresponding pain. no one escapes pain, as long as he/she exists. whether you are in deva/god, or in asura/giants/demigod, or in human, or in animal, or in preta/hungry ghost, or in hell realms, you will experience pain. each has its own pain. there is no real peace. that is, UNLESS one goes out of the six realms, unless one is enlightened and is freed from the cycle of rebirths, deaths, and pain. How? Buddha, as a devout Hindu, realized that the cause of pain within the cycles of rebirth is desire. Desire (in the form of need, want, or love) causes pain and suffering. that is specially if one cannot get the satisfaction he seeks. So the path to enlightenment and to being freed from the cycle of rebirths is the cessation of desire. The question is: is this possible? Can we live and exist without desire -- without need, without want, without intentions, without goals, without love?

The answer is: We can't. As long as we exist, we feel desire and we must (e.g., we must feel hunger so we know we need to eat and live; we need to feel some pain or else we won't know that we are in far greater danger; we jolt or instinctively move away from what pricked us) so there would always be pain. [Of course, there is a good kind of pain as there is an evil kind. but we'll discuss this later.] IF we don't want this life, then death is an option (or suicide). The thing is we also don't know what death brings (after we die), that is, if there is an after-life/after-death. could there be more pain and suffering? we can't say, scientifically speaking. we don't have scientific/historical data from anyone who has died and remains dead what is the experience of death. scientifically speaking, when a person dies, he/she stops to 'experience' anything, or at least, he/she/it stops to have an experience that he/she/it can sense/describe/interpret. as far as experience is concerned, when death comes, it is the survivor who experiences it. the death of a loved one, for example, it is the family of the loved one who experiences the loss, the pain of living without the person physically present. Going back to Nagato. It is because of love that his parents died. they wanted to protect him. while this is sweet for some of us, for him, this is a form of torture. His parents died, leaving him to experience a life full of pain, hunger, and suffering -- the harsh realities of life. this is the only thing real for nagato. he must be thinking that it is easier to die for someone you love than to live for him/her. living is more painful than death (that is, if being dead can still feel pain.) So nagato lost faith in love, for love brings a lot of pain. anyway, this discussion is indeed a serious one. Only those who are ready could take all this talk and reflection. This is the problem of pain & suffering that we are talking about. And this leads us to tackle the problem of evil, as well. So from the level of the existential we shall inevitably talk about the ethical moral dimensions of suffering/pain. Only for those who are ready to live, shall have the courage to reflect. For the unreflected life is not worth living. :)

Naruto will not kill Nagato, Nagato might die from exhaustion but Naruto will not kill him. The only way to end the chain of violence is with forgiveness and/or non-violent solutions (ex. jail). It will be interesting to see what Konan does, I was hoping to see her fight so we could see her abilities, but I doubt that will happen now. Plus can we see Rock Lee fight soon, I miss him especially his drunken boxing.

so why are we afraid of death then melo, when being death seems better because of the absence of worries, problem, and anything else... when we are dead wouldnt it be peaceful

what is the meaning of life? this is the question for melo

i don't know venger @82. we are afraid of death perhaps because we don't know what will happen to us when we die. perhaps we are also afraid of losing what we have in this life, to leave people that we love who will suffer the loss when we pass away. perhaps we also see that death is often a consequence of great pain, such as in a terrible accident or a malignant disease. so the fear of death is partly the fear of the unknown, the fear of ending our existence and fading into meaninglessness, to be forgotten, to cause worry and pain to others we leave behind. there are times that i wish for myself to die, to just escape all the pain and the harsh realities of life, of unrequited love, of betrayal, of mishaps and of tragedies, of missed opportunities, of self-condemnation. but sometimes when i experience something utterly beautiful several months or years later, i would find myself truly thankful that i have not fully convinced myself to commit suicide before. i am proud that i have asked God to give me the spirit of courage and love, to embrace the pain and to face my problem or the reality of death. death is very much a part of life... life often speaks the language of death to make realize that life is transitory, that life is temporary, and we should make the most out of it. as it was often said, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade. i have decided not to escape but to plunge into the mysteries of life, to grapple with the enigma of good and evil, to endure the pain of love and self-giving. to let be, let go and let God. at times, i feel that pain is a friend and loneliness my teacher. i rather have them than live in emptiness, in meaninglessness. exercising awareness and openness of heart, i have learned from both pain and loneliness some of the greatest lessons in my life, and they have fashioned my heart to be able to feel compassion towards others, to write poems, to hum songs, to notice the fluttering of butterfly wings, to marvel at the simple beauty of a blade of grass, to honor the fertile smell of the lowly earth. what is the meaning of life -- i don't know. i, myself, is seeking for the answer. but there is a certain feeling inside me that says it also wants to be found. sometimes the answer is there hidden in the question, sometimes the finding is in the seeking, sometimes presence is felt in absence. sometimes the greatest and profoundest mystery is unfolded in the lips of simple children. sometimes life reveals its meaning in the language of dying. just as it was said (in Jn.12:24-25), "unless the grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies (and buried in the ground/or ground and made into bread to be eaten), it remains alone/merely a grain of wheat; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." i don't know, but right this moment, that grain of wheat just made the loudest thud in the ground of my heart. shalom, happy easter. :)

the fear of death is proof of the absence of faith, at least that is what i think

Naruto will not kill nagato because nagato is not evil or bad guy inside is heart,we spoke a lot about the position of evil and god.As naruto nor nagato, ultimately, are not "bad people", but they are involved in this world with pain and hatred, they are involved in the cycle of mutual hatred. I think that forgiveness is available and should be done only if the entity has acted because it has been involved in this cycle and if he is his victim. I think that forgiveness has no place for people as cruel as madara, danzou, orochimaru, and others, the ambition of which does not recognize the mercy, love and human feelings. Though they may have been spiritually clear and without ambition, though in the beginning, have been atrocities on them or their families, these types of people should be eliminated with calmness and without mercy, because now they can be called no more humans . We regret that any of us can become such people, but we should do it otherwise, because if not, they will continue to feed the cycle of hatred and system which transformed them in such people. Although under a point of view we can be called killer because nobody has the right to stop someone's life, it is necessary to do this for the benefit of the common. Back to the manga, i am afraid that the conversation between naruto and nagato will be stopped by someone interference, like madara or danzou or leaf as well. Perhaps, in the height of the talking, someone will kill nagato in order not to take naruto learned something really important..who knows.. About the discussion that what nagato really wanted to say with that line, i think that it was a little ironically. He did not really think that naruto is peace, because naruto don't have still an answer( see chapter 442, page 13). Until naruto will give him an answer, he wiil not see him as peace. And i don't think that naruto have already the answer, or an complete solution. It will be less reliable or less logical if naruto find the answer in such short time, an answer who people like j-man and the 4th fought so much without a conclusion. It's true that naruto have surpassed them, but it's also true that it's not easy to come out with an answer now in those conditions and it's also true that out before to find the answer, naruto should be well informed with the history and facts, he should learn the truth.

we are not really afraid of death. what we are afraid of is the pain or suffering that causes death or as a result of death, think about the people who are willing to die for something.

why we live our lives knowing we are going to die anyway not unless you are immortal or already dead

Traduzione: Albanese » Inglese Melo, The fact that I / you / we address God, is a test of fear that dominates us. In difficult and bad moments, we address God because we are powerless to act and because we have fear of losing. I think that indictment and fear are the most important reasons that we act like this.At venger,melo and all the others, i think that: "INDICTMENT AND FEAR RULES THIS WORLD AND LIFE IS THEIR PRODUCT". At venger: now, to find the meaning of an product you have to ask the producer...

its a rare place to find highly intellectual beings, this site

And the interesting thing is that we take the road to avoid indictment and fear,but we find them exactly in front on us..What we have to do?

predestined lives like the naruto universe

Konan won't protect Nagato. He's limp to begin with so now that all his Pains are destroyed and he's powerless - Konan will probably just bend over for Naruto.

naruto might forgive pein but what about the other citizens of konoha who suffered and not as idealistic or forgiving as naruto. how do you calm down a mob that is out on a rampage blinded by their anger

yes indeed it is rare to find highly intellectual beings in this site.. yet you are lucky enough..

@87 venger_steelheart : In the creation story for monism or doctrine we learn that death is a punishment for sin (I know it means spiritual death). We are not in a state if living but in the process of dying. Spiritual death is instantaneous but physical death take longer. We are here to prepare ourselves for true life, the spiritual one. (Adam forfeit our physical word by disobeying GOD). We get older and our bodies get damaged. Trees live longer than us. Think about that for a minute. We are afraid of the unknown and shock that we go through the final stages of physical death. This is my two cents.

@97 venger_steelheart : I think that Naruto also knows that it will be much more difficult to deal with Nagato with Shikaku and the others there; if he decides to release Nagato, then the hunt for him will be much more difficult as it will be hard to locate him after he leaves Konoha's forest.

just as it was said (in Jn.12:24-25), "unless the grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies (and buried in the ground/or ground and made into bread to be eaten), it remains alone/merely a grain of wheat; but if it dies, it bears much fruit."

loved that melo 217 ;-)

no.100! yessssss